by Reverse Engineer, Doomstead Diner
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We have begun the rather long and tedious process of digesting all the data accumulated in the 2019 Collapse Survey, which is to say the least COPIOUS.
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Of interest to me first here was what Kollapsniks themselves had to say about how they thought about all these things in the Open Answer question at the end. For this type of question, you can’t really do a Quantitative Analysis, it’s a Qualitative impression that you get from reading the answers. I was interested to see who took the questions seriously, and who just wrote snarky comments? What websites did they come from? If you read through these comments, you can figure that out for yourself and it is no surprise to me at all of course. lol. Still, there are quite a few worthwhile and thoughtful comments and thoughts sprinkled in between the snark.
Here then, in the words of the Kollapsniks themselves is the story of the Collapse of Industrial Civilization as it will play out into the future.
| 20. On what website did you find a link to the 2019 Collapse Survey? | 40. You may add your own comments and projections for Collapse in 2019 and beyond here |
| Reddit r/collapse | Upcoming stair steps in the ongoing collapse: 2019 financial crisis, ~2025 global peak oil, ~2030 peak natural gas, ~2035 global average temperature anomaly of 1.5C. |
| Truth Dig (Chris Hedges) | Smoke weed everyday |
| Reddit r/collapse | People have the capacity to change things, but there’s little hope that people will make meaningful change until things become visible on a level that directly impedes their day-to-day existence, at which point it’ll probably be much too late. My main question is whether or not those who survive the collapse are able to build a new society that learns from the mistakes of ours. |
| Doomstead Diner | Keep up the good work in 2019, best wishes for happiness in the darkening clouds of collapse! |
| Reddit r/collapse | I have flown. It is not every year. Three times in my life return. |
| The Burning Platform | Things are not getting better. Things will only get worse and they’re getting worse at a quicker pace. We, Humans world wide, are in trouble within the next 2-5 years. |
| The Burning Platform | The spectrum of subversive activities against the American people continues. Television, newspaper, radio, and mainstream media online outlets are relentlessly skewing and twisting information a particular way. Our people will need to recognize the threats to their health are constant and on multiple fronts. Long term power outages, interrupted services, and contaminated foods will be an increasing challenge in everyday life in the future. |
| The Burning Platform | We are a morally bankrupt society |
| The Burning Platform | You don’t define or ask for a definition of what collapse is, in my opinion |
| The Burning Platform | Slowly increasing collapse to 2025. Dramatic increase to 2030. Beginning of truly dire effects of climate change. Period of disease, violence starvation to 2070. Gradual adjustment to new circumstances. All varying in timeframe by area of the world. |
| The Burning Platform | The future is the Left isn’t stomped on: https://theamericansun.com/ 2018/12/16/pissearth-2025/ |
| The Burning Platform | Grab your ankles! |
| Ugo Bardi’s The Seneca Effect FB group | The most practical, lowest-tech renewable energy technology wasn’t even on your list! Add solar thermal and passive solar buildings, FFS. |
| Facebook. | I look forward to seeing the results. |
| Feedly | Civil war and dissolution of the USA. Diversity + Proximity = War. |
| The Burning Platform | TPTP are trying to take us into a planned collapse in 2019 to bring in Chaos and implement their NWO. Trump is trying to stop them and with God’s help, the Deep State will end up in jail. The Super Grand Solar Minimum starts in a couple years and will be worse than the Little Ice Age; it will be a trial of Mankind almost like that of the Dinosaurs. |
| The Burning Platform | Economic depression by 2020 |
| The Burning Platform | I am an unemployed Ph.D. I have been seeking full time employment for over 6 years. I survive through a combination of low paid part time jobs and public assistance. The welfare system is dysfunctional. The government is corrupt and dysfunctional. American corporations are corrupt and dysfunctional. I do not hold out a lot of hope for the future of the U.S. This country will collapse like the Soviet Union. However, the American people, unaccustomed to real hardship and lacking a sense of communal cohesion, will not fare as well as Russia did when it collapsed. There will be violence and bloodshed. The elites may launch a nuclear war rather than risk potential revolution. |
| The Burning Platform | big problems ahead |
| The Burning Platform | Economic reset |
| The Burning Platform | You may have regional issues. But beyond open revolution things should stay fairly calm globally. Could be chaotic in localities. |
| The Burning Platform | the human race is a virus |
| Reddit r/collapse | I believe it is impossible to guess when we will go extinct |
| Reddit r/collapse | I believe that progress on reducing starvation and malnutrition will be undone by famine and ecosystem collapse, particularly fish stocks. It may lead to mass migration in 5-10 years time. |
| The Burning Platform | Peak prosperity website |
| The Burning Platform | Better have some preps |
| The Burning Platform | Collapse is U.S. and Europe specific |
| The Burning Platform | bullshit |
| Doomstead Diner | Your questions seem pretty biased towards “normal” people. Your ranking questions REALLY need a “stop here” option! Other questions sorely need an “other” option, such as #39, which I simply can’t relate to – I have no investments, but can last indefinitely on the food I grow. |
| Reddit r/collapse | I submitted part of the survey yesterday but got cut off in the middle due to accidentally hitting the “done” button. You should be able to tell which one it was by the similarity of the answer about nuclear. The POTUS candidates and the websites in the middle rankings will be different because I am unfamiliar with some of these and ranked highest and lowest by what I’d heard of. |
| The Burning Platform | Balkanization of the USA with local/regional civil unrest. |
| face book link? | Economic collapse seems inevitable but after a period of hardship with perhaps some chaos people will reorganize and be much more self sufficient. |
| Doomstead Diner | You don’t understand the term net worth. The question above references cash reserves, not net worth. |
| Doomstead Diner | TV dinners are never a good choice |
| economic undertow | Severe depression in 2019. Followed by lack of recovery due to resource depletion followed by war. |
| Our Finite World (Gail Tverberg) | I believe initial collapse will be a financial one caused by falling net energy. B. W. Hill has a believable model for one… or Dr. Morgan’s SEEDS model. Broken supply chains, empty gas tanks and store shelves leading to a root hawg or die Mad Max scenario. Get your sand rail and assless chaps ready now. Good luck…I need a drink. |
| The Burning Platform | |
| Doomstead Diner | In the western world: lower living standards for most (taxes, food and energy costs), corresponding increase in petty crime (e.g. theft, trespass), more heavy-handed actions by state enforcers against the public, more corporate crimes and corruption without accountability. Cheers. |
| Doomstead Diner | Reason Colin Powell write-in is order is needed, and I don’t think he’s a puppet of the elite. (am dual citizen/Canada; in US as grandkids are here) |
| Was sent a link | I am honestly anticipating a more realistic “zombie apocalypse” in which some aggressive disease destroys the bulk of humanity. I’m betting on a mutated rabies or superflu. |
| Doomstead Diner | What source of energy can provide the needed met energy? If it’s not nuclear fission or fusion then it’s nothing. |
| Economic Undertow (Steve Ludlum) | They had it coming, they had it coming, all along. As you have been there, as you have seen it, we’ll have all just done the same. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Most of the questions have a built-in assumption that collapse is a reality….that’s not a good survey approach and skews questions and answers. |
| Reddit r/collapse | A staircase of tipping points that we never recover from as things get progressively worse. |
| Reddit r/collapse | 12 years til apocalypse |
| Doomstead Diner | Interesting too us focused as usual. Net worth question not enough categories. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Here’s hoping for a better one. Question 24 has all of it happening at once; we’re ranking in minutes and not years. |
| Reddit r/collapse | collapse is ‘things getting very bad for most people ‘ , more dystopia / hardship that the elites will be able to avoid. |
| Reddit r/collapse | A continued slow decline. The markets look shakey but at too hard to predict on any short term absis. |
| Reddit r/collapse | humans have raped the earth and all its creatures, what can I say… |
| Our Finite World (Gail Tverberg) | Most likely collapse will be slower than we suspect – my guess is collapse has already started (started in 2008) and will last 100+ years. I don’t expect to retire though (I’m 31). |
| Where is Economic Undertow? | Impoverishing the masses is simply conservation by other means. Wish the Breeders would…. STOP! But it ain’t gonna happen. Collapse will be sudden and suck. At that point – I quit! No more electricity – gas – hot water – sewer or water….. and I think people forgot…. the diseases from the past will ravage populations when the sewage system quits…. https://theplumber.com/plagues-epidemics/ And besides – where I live – Ra(t)cine WI – it’s gangbangers, Section 8, Single Mothers, and overpaid/compensated and early retired Gubbermint workers. Low slave wage paying jobs – lots of potential workers – but none who want to work. Lots of homeless – and Illinois keeps sending up more Gangsters for us to arrest – incarcerate – and provide free room and board for – with mighty expensive prisoner guards. I can make it check to check – and I live cheap! As for the Fox-Scam – it’s all a Politicians lie: https:// concernedracinecountyresidentsjust saynotofoxconn.wordpress.com/ 2018/11/17/will-foxconn-lift-up-se-wi-or-lead-to-its-collapse/ |
| Reddit r/collapse | Die off |
| Doomstead Diner | Human slave labor? |
| Doomstead Diner | Monetary system Collapse is the most immediate threat, but monetary reformers are raising awareness about the banks’ debt-based money supply creation monopoly, and the simple solution of debt-free money issuance that can prevent monetary Collapse. The nutjobs in Washington could start a nuclear war. The pharmaceutical-industrial complex is already setting the stage for mass disease via poisonous vaccines. The aquifers are being pumped dry so water will be in short supply even before we run short of oil for energy. Climate change is happening, but not from us emitting CO2. A solar or cosmic event could annihilate us, before any of the man-made catastrophes have a chance to do it. Meanwhile in China, the people are feeling prosperous and optimistic because they live in a rising society while we live in a declining society. |
| Doomstead Diner | It is a good time to be old(65). The insects are rare as are the migratory birds. My garden becomes less productive each year. Friends and family are dying of cancers and autoimmune diseases. The weather in South Carolina is bizarre. My hope is fading. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | In 2019, we’ll see increasing global unrest, a massive global recession, a couple new conflicts overseas, and one or two catastrophic climate-related disasters. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | As Niels Bohr is credited with saying: Making predictions is hard, especially if they’re about the future. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | yup |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Nuclear weapons in the hands of despots during tumultuous energy scarce times is IMO the highest impact risk, aside from the slow grinding flywheel effect from climate change |
| Reddit r/collapse | We are screwed. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Collapse unlikely in 2019 (absent nuclear war) but certain before 2050. |
| Doomstead Diner | The american centric aspect of this survey means a lot of it does not apply to my circumstances. I’ve seen on the doomstead site but needed to sign up to participate so I’m glad that Ugo posted it here. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Elect Sam Carana! http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/ |
| Reddit r/collapse | Wish there were more opportunities for jobs to report on collapse or work to solve the problems. Also wish people would organize more and try to bring down the system that’s rapidly killing the natural world. This is the only planet we know that harbors life and were killing it. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Good luck, homo sapiens is fucked |
| The Burning Platform | I live on a small working farm and strive for self sufficiency daily. I have no debt and believe in hard assets, outside the Banksters as much as possible. My world view is Biblical. I’m a well armed clinger to quote the Petculent One. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | 2025 to 2030 probable range in my opinion. Many steps to collapse takes time. See a succession of regional collapses with migration, much pain and suffering, starvation, disease and violence. Sorry. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | believe gradual but bumpy decline in living standards |
| The Automatic Earth (Roel Mueller) | The 1st world is in for a rude awakening, |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | I can’t spend to much more time on projections for Collapse. I’ve run through pretty much all the scenarios I could over time, and the only thing of which I’m absolutely certain is that our current thermo-industrial civilisation is in ICU and about to flatline. I work with other people in my community to try and find ways to leave something to work with for the people who will inherit whatever is left. A Buddhist text suggests that bodhisattvas live always with “their own death hanging like a pendant on their forehead.” While I wouldn’t call myself a Buddhist…I try to do that. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Looks like we are in an early stage of this collaps. But I guess that we have to expect more and more chaos in the years ahed… |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Question 24 is hard to rank because the triggers are contingent and most of those things are interrelated. The kinds of problems we face are much easier to predict that the timing. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Humans may have pockets of life remaining after the climate destroys the ability to grow food but these will slowly decrease until there are no more people. |
| Doomstead Diner | I plan to eat stupid people when things get bad; The only truly renewable resource… |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | We won’t have long – the many religious zealots, big business types, insane idiots, uneducated, stupids are making terrible decisions that will curtail the future for all of us all too soon. |
| Doomstead Diner | REDUNDANCY is the only way to succeed in nature. The most resilient animals have a variety of ways to do the same thing (eg: omnivores, amphibians), whereas niche animals are done when the niche is gone. Humans may yet manage to build a bridge across this huge cavernous hole we’ve dug ourselves BUT only if we build into a new system the most REDUNDANT ways to do EVERYTHING all of the time, in every area of our lives. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | The collapse of global energy use is very likely to remove the danger of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. |
| The Burning Platform | Markets remain volatile. Downsizing continues in businesses and eventually (within a few years) in government at last. Housing equities will drop as millions upon millions of boomers’ homes flood the market when they retire and debt-ridden millenials, sans children and/or spouses, can’t afford them. War is inevitable somewhere as the MIC fights to keep their coffers full – one of these wars will eventually put us near a WW3 type decision. The FSoA need to quit poking the Bear – eventually it will have had enough and quit taking “the high road” and retaliate or join the fray. Weather will be as it has been for thousands of years, cold spells, warm spells, floods, fires, hurricanes – if the solar minimum is as “Grand” as some predict, it may get much colder and food shortages as well as diseases may become larger issues than currently. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Political, financial, social, cultural collapse is well under way as far as I can tell |
| The Burning Platform | Hopefully, the Deep State goes down to a crushing defeat in 2019 as TINVOWOOT |
| Economic undertow | I am hopeful that further financial chicanery can keep BAU going for a while longer. Once the jumbo conventional fields go into accelerated decline (likely 5-7% per annum), I think BAU is done. |
| Reddit r/collapse | It can only go worse from here. Capitalism can’t find a way out of the hole it has dug all of humanity into. |
| Economic Undertow | Collapse is slow and ongoing. Things will get worse in 2019 but it isn’t the end yet. Would love to see more states legalize cannabis! |
| Economic Undertow | I expect a continued erosion and slide toward collapse. |
| The Burning Platform | 2nd Great Depression is due. Followed by ww3. Non-nuclear conflict, until possibly its very end. New global order arises after. Sometime before 2100, another religious war – Christians et al. Vs sharia imposing Muslims. |
| Face book link? | Society will survive until the weather patterns change enough to significantly reduce world-wide food production. People who live off the land might be able to survive for hundreds of years. |
| Our Finite World (Gail Tverberg) | None |
| Truth Dig (Chris Hedges) | Collapse is now. Ongoing. I think Dimitry Orlov said- It’s just not evenly distributed yet. There are NO solutions except individual adaptation. Our capacity for organization and consensus decreases daily. Those with the most invested in the ongoing omnicide also have the most guns, bombs, missiles, and the predisposition to use them, being straight up psychopaths. They will actively and effectively challenge any attempt to turn collapse around. There is no guaranteed strategy for survival. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Should be a rebound after first wave mass population drop collapse but worsening climate change will see a nuclear war |
| Reddit r/collapse | This shit is making me depressed |
| Doomstead Diner | It’s definitely tough for older Americans to find employment especially in high tech. |
| Truth Dig (Chris Hedges) | My main concern used to be environmental collapse, but the rapidity with which politics has replaced religion in the psyche of the average citizen of the “advanced nations” leads me to believe that something like a Holy War between the barely distinguishable factions of postmodern centrism may destroy large parts of the human race before total ecological collapse. I vacillate between fearing this outcome, and embracing a nuclear war premised on the narcissism of small differences as the only true hope for whatever remains of humanity in its wake. The most likely future that I can imagine is one that resembles the Black Mirror episode “Metalhead,” in which automated systems of property defense have hunted mankind to extinction, and the last living human will die at the hands of machines in the name of the great god Property. |
| Truth Dig (Chris Hedges) | A great or lesser depopulation seems likely. A re imagining of our specie will be necessary in any case. |
| https://www.economic-undertow.com/ | I take history is my model and note that even after the Roman empire had clearly failed and become something entirely different many people hadn’t gotten the message. We may be in the same trajectory, yeah everything will eventually be different and poorer and even, by current standards, post apocolyptic but they won’t know and I will be gone by at least a few decades. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | “…slowly, then all at once…” |
| Reddit r/collapse | everday feels hopeless and i struggle with suicidal thoughts knowing that i will most likely be collapse fodder. |
| facefart | I can’t last indefinitely on savings but I have over 3 years of savings. 10+. I’m lucky, not smart, clever, or ruthless. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | See Margaret Atwood’s MaddAddam trilogy. |
| Reddit r/collapse | This survey was way too American centric to bother trying to answer everything. And those ranking questions are impossible on phone. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Keep up the good work and the discussion. There’s a lot to be said. I’ve gotten past the worst and try to live a life of excellence knowing that stuff is going to get worse, while I still invest and save and work hard toward a future that may not arrive, I also work toward self sufficiency and farming and prepping for whatever happens down the road. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | I think we will face hard times and a population decline, but my thinkings on collapse are inflected by reading works by the likes of Joanna Macy, Charles Eisenstein, and Bayo Akomolafe. That is, I believe there is emergence and renewal in crisis. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Question 27: There could be pockets of more advanced technology co-existing with much lower levels on average for quite some time. I expect something like a new feudalism to arise, perhaps with some legacy technology of an unpredictable nature. Question 39 doesn’t have enough options. Who knows whether Social Security will be available in 20 years, and at my age anything (bad) can happen. I can’t live, or last indefinitely, but at my age I don’t have more than a couple decades left at best, and I can probably survive anything short of a major catastrophe for 20 year or more if I live that long and if my health holds out. (I’m old enough to retire, lucky enough to have a job, and too pessimistic to quit). I think I’m mostly in agreement with Michael Greer in my view of the future. In my opinion the date of collapse or substantial decline is totally indeterminate at this time. Probably very serious, probably irreversible problems will arise by 2050; most of the world will be in an extremely distressed state by 2100, but with a few pockets of some affluence remaining, and probably nothing like “total” collapse until 2200 or later. After that is anyone’s guess. Depends on how many bad (or less likely good) decisions are made in the next 25 – 30 years, or whether there is nuclear war or a major pandemic. When things get bad enough those with enough to lose may allow change and probably have enough collective power to keep the human race going at a much lower technological level, though probably too little too late. Things are still salvageable, but we are quickly running out of time to make meaningful adjustments. |
| Our Finite World (Gail Tverberg) | Not in 2019 but it’s effects will be visible for public in te fall 2019 |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Stop the growth of the world population …. immediately |
| The Automatic Earth (Roel Mueller) | Since you reference a large variety of blogs worldwide , you could be less US centric. eg regions.thanks for the blog list. The sorting function while cool was a PITA. I tried but it wasn’t the the final I wwould have chosen. |
| Reddit r/collapse | A long boring and slow collapse provided we do not nuke ourselves. Capitalism continues to push BAU for as long as the masses allow it. Basically, we run ourselves into the ground with hubris, and denialism. Things are bad in developing nations. For the developed world, things get truly crazy in the 2030’s |
| Doomstead Diner | Too many mooks. They need to be exterminated. This will happen. Then we can go for the stars, our destiny. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | There is too much we don’t know, how much accessable, affordable fossil resources are left?, will we bumble into nuclear war?, will we be overrun by illegal migrants?, will our crops soon fail leading to mass starvation?, will the ecosystem fail because we have destroyed too much of it? The oceans are dying, birds, whales & other sea life is being starved to death with bellies full of indigestable PLASTIC, the O2 level is declining even as the C02 & methane levels are rising, insects are a keystone species, I see very few insects or spiders any more & Swallows don’t breed here any longer. We are in deep doo doo! (BTW, I don’t have a TV, radio here is almost non existent, we only have a small, local news paper twice a week. The internet is my main source of “news”. I have no debt, no loans, no morgage, no children BY CHOICE, no family, all debts are paid up each month. “Voting” for corrupt politicians in fake, rigged “elections” is a waste of time. ) Americans are so dam IGNORANT & too many are STUPID, people here actually BELIEVE that there is an invisible “man” in the sky who “made” everything only 6000 years ago! No wonder we are doomed to collapse! There are too dam many of us & more are on the way, without affordable OIL, we will not be able to feed 7.6 billion humans & oil is going away & those who believe that oil dependent “renewables” can replace oil are IDIOTS! I wish they would stop pushing “renewables” as the solution to our overpopulation, energy, pollution & excessive demand delema, “renewables” are just another way to PROFIT from fossil resources. What is needed is #1. BAN ONE USE PLASTICS, take down most dams, FORCE a drastic reduction of the human population, forced birth control/sterilizations as needed,( you can’t reason with believers.) a drastic reduction in our use of fossil resources (rationing) & the training of millions of organic farmers & farm workers, break up mega factory “farms”, we need to stop eating fish, eat less meat & stop buying stuff we don’t actually NEED, ban clear cutting of our forests, end hunting & trapping, ban meat eating pets except working animals like sled dogs & cats to keep down pests in the barn. The young need to relearn the old ways of living on the land in in ballence with nature & our resources. We will collapse & I do not expect us to reach that 10 billion, probably not even 8 billion, the few survivors if any, will have a tough time surviving in a world getting hotter each year with more droughts, more floods, more nasty weather of all stripes & diseases we can no longer treat or cure (diabetics are also doomed.) & with billions of desperate people migrating & struggling to survive any way they can. Got a recipe for “long pig” the new “sustainable” meat? Even worse than the stupidity & ignorance of most ‘mericans are our stupid, greedy, IGNORANT RULERS who are still calling for more dam GROWTH! Growth is the problem not the solution. |
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| Economicundertow | Log-log power law makes prediction difficult and imprecise. Collages will happen, it’s the size of the Avalanche that is uncertain! |
| Economic Undertow | Good survey but politics = irrelevant |
| economic undertow | likely to be a rolling worldwide collapse due to economic, cultural, climatic, environmental, social and black swan catastrophes in unknown order, likely happening simultaneously at the present time. |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | http://www.lulu.com/shop/risa-bear/ starvation-ridge/ paperback/product-21383506.html |
| Doomstead Diner | great survey! |
| Doomstead Diner | the decline of the Roman empire was not obvious at the time – historians will decide the actual collapse year – assuming any are left alive ! |
| surplus energy economics | no comm |
| Reddit r/collapse | Economic meltdown 2019~2020 Societal collapse by 2040 |
| Reddit r/collapse | I think we’ll see some widespread social unrest in the U.S., probably with protests, maybe some riots and some military or militarized police response to them. There will be more and more homeless people, and we may see a sharp uptick in deaths from suicide, overdose, exposure, and starvation/malnutrition. We’ll also see more murders by extremists, probably against people of color. It’s possible we’ll see a whole region or city fall under martial law if something significant happens, like L.A. running out of potable water. I think it’s unlikely we’ll see a total breakdown of rule of law in 2019. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Collapse is slow and ruthless. The upper and middle classes must live on far less now or live on next to nothing in a few decades. |
| Reddit r/collapse | short term societal collapse may lead to the freeing up of important resources which can lead to a technological rebound, that with optimal outcomes may see our survival in one form or another into the 22nd century. however this is unlikely |
| Reddit r/collapse | Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get yourself into the parasitic ruling capitalist class so you can crush the dissenters with highly militarised police while you live luxuriously off the backbone of human suffering and misery. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Nothing about diet or how much we are individually contributing (or not) to this mess? We’ll see the rise of veganism as environmentally necessary, better for personal health and as the public comes around the obvious morality will creep into the spotlight. Still, this is all way too little, too late. But really, if you eat, drive, fly, have children, etc: what is your excuse and how do you excuse these evils while preaching any sort of moral high ground (ie: “I recycle but could never stop driving, that’s taking it too far”) |
| Reddit r/collapse | 1) Interesting, but what’s the point, really? 2) The survey questions and requests that allow for no “other response” are often too limited or leading. |
| Reddit r/collapse | bumpy ride up ahead, mainly politically and economically |
| Doomstead Diner, but the link was bad so I accessed it from Economic Undertow | |
| Our Finite World (Gail Tverberg) | Fun to speculate about, but unlikely that anyone will see it coming in the exact form it will take… |
| Reddit r/collapse | born to die world is a fuck yeeet |
| Reddit r/collapse | I’m afraid that a lot of people who have never really known true hardship, like starvation, is going to feel it these coming 20 years. That is going to kickstart a lot of other processes, like with everything else on earth. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Low tech is the future! Negative growth economy! |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | Peak oil 2021-2, terminal decline of oil output recognized 2025 as it approaches 5%/yr. Rolling series of financial crisis as debt collapses throughout the 2020-2030 timeframe. The baseline scenerio of “Limits to Growth” will be surprising accurate. |
| Doomstead Diner | collapse is 100% certain when is 100% uncertain |
| Cassandra’s Legacy (Ugo Bardi) | I believe a perfect storm of environmental stressors will be the proximate cause for collapse (i.e. Sixth Mass Extinction, Over-Population, Deforestation, Ocean Acidification, Coral Bleaching, Over-Fishing, Oceanic Dead Zones, Poaching, Desertification, Water scarcity, Resource Scarcity, Invasive Species, Emerging Diseases/Syndromes like Colony Collapse Disorder, White Nose Syndrome, Chytrid). |
| Economic Undertow | The Car is the greatest threat to humanity. |
| Reddit r/collapse | Many reasons for collapse in this survey that asked for ranking are relatively equal in probability of happening my estimate, but are also intertwined with each other, so once one happens the others will follow behind. |
| Doomstead Diner | it’s not looking good… |
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