Copper: Possible Deflation Call and Warning for Stocks

September 30th, 2011
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by Albertarocks

We’ve all heard the cliché about Dr. Copper. It’s so cliché by now that I’d be embarrassed to even repeat it. But that cute saying has more to do with the fact that the price of copper is a relatively good gauge indicating the health of the economy, than offering a true reflection of the health of the equities markets. After all, the action in the stock markets has become so disconnected from the real economy (in essence, from 'reality') that I sometimes wonder whether the stock markets are even going to be in existence a decade from now. Nonetheless, what I’d like to demonstrate here is that copper, as a truly good representative of industrial materials (commodities), also relates to the stock markets in such a way that it can provide us with very sound signals about the future direction for equities.

Follow up:

At this time, it appears to be issuing a very stern warning, a warning that in the past has been very accurate and dependable… to get the hell out of equities.


In the past, we have seen charts showing the S&P 500 when it is priced in terms of various other vehicles... gold for example. Those studies are very interesting and offer ‘some’ guidance about whether or not investors are really getting ahead after inflation is taken into account. The unfortunate problem with that particular gold analysis is that the price of gold had for years been clandestinely, and later proven to be, manipulated. Clearly, it still is.  Gold had been held down by those who wish to hide the fact that the only real money “is” gold, and that the illusion of a soaring stock market is just that… an illusion based on ever increasing liquidity that continuously and severely destroys the value of fiat dollars. No folks, when the equities markets are soaring, you are not getting your money’s worth.  But the global banking oligarchy doesn't want you to know that.  So the sad truth is that any analysis that uses gold as one of the component comparators is flawed, thanks to the likes of JPM.

In an effort to provide a better, and far more accurate, picture of the real effects of inflation, I presented a study back in April of 2011 which showed the S&P 500 as priced in oil. Needless to say it offered a much clearer picture of the real value of the S&P and was indeed very revealing. Disgustingly so, because that study exposed the fact that while equities had indeed risen in nominal terms since 1999, the price of oil had actually increased at 870% the pace. For anyone who might be interested in reviewing that particular analysis, it can be found by clicking here. But before you do that, I beg your kind understanding that this article was written at the beginning go my little foray into the world of publishing articles (at the behest of several of my friends at Seeking Alpha). I was a neophyte.  I hadn’t yet thought of better ways to display charts so that they weren’t quite so ‘busy’.  I didn't consider myself to be an particularly good writer back then and as far as I'm concerned I still isn't.

So far, we have discussed two different comparative studies: a) the S&P as priced in real (but grossly manipulated) money, namely gold.... and b) the S&P as priced in ‘fuel’ that a healthy economy requires… oil. There was a third, one which I address in the footnote and which is relating the S&P to the $CRX. But what we're going to investigate here is a 4th way of pricing the S&P 500...  as priced in one of the most commonly used ‘materials’ consumed in a healthy and growing ‘industrial’ economy… and of course we’re talking about copper.

The chart below is a weekly scale that looks at the S&P 500 as priced in copper, going back to mid 2006:

Click here for a live and updated chart

In general, when the candles on the ratio are falling, the S&P 500 is underperforming copper. Or more importantly, when the candles are falling, copper is rising relative to equities. At times when copper is in high demand (when the candles on this chart are falling) we can be pretty certain that two phenomena are in vogue… a) the global economy is strong enough to be creating demand for copper and therefore driving its price up faster than the gains in a raging equities bull market, and b) commodities prices in general are rising right along with copper. They always do. It shows that inflation in ‘real goods’ is indeed occurring at a faster rate than in what otherwise appears to be a soaring equities market. And of course, the inverse is true: when the candles on the ratio are rising, the S&P 500 is outperforming copper. Or, from the opposite and far more ominous perspective, when the candles are rising copper is falling relative to equities. There is pretty much only one reason for copper prices to suddenly reverse and start falling at a faster rate than equities are. And as has occurred so regularly in the past… this recent reversal in that trend was indeed “sudden”.

As can be seen on the chart, peaks in this ratio very often take the form of ‘island tops’. Of critical importance is to recognize whether these island tops occur after a sustained uptrend in the ratio, or after a sustained downtrend. In other words, is it an exhaustion gap? Or does it represent a breakaway gap? Please take note of the candle on the chart denoted by “KEY CANDLE”. Let there be no misunderstanding here… the moving averages on this chart are indicating that this ratio is going to rise further. The odds that the latest candle on the chart is an island reversal are very slim. Having said that, the dark lords are very powerful and have a habit of making many types of analyses (and analysts) look rather foolish. Still, I’ll take my chances here. The shape of the overall pattern since the beginning of 2009 suggests we may be on the verge of a very sharp movement out of what appears to be a sustained and impressive ending diagonal. Does that aspect of this chart look familiar? It should… it is perfectly logical that this chart appears to be resolving in a pattern very similar to that of the US dollar. Folks, inflation does not appear to be in the cards at this time.  Instead, despite my distain for the FED and everything it stands for, when Mr. Bernanke speaks of not seeing deflation as being a big problem, what he really means is that he's doing all he can to keep that deflation genie tightly corked up in that bottle.  He's speaking the truth.  And he's losing the battle.

What we’re seeing is a rather alarming indication that copper has most likely entered a phase of diminishing demand, a trend which is not likely to reverse to upward any time soon. That my friends is a huge ship on the global economic ocean… it takes a sea-change to reverse its course. No matter how we slice it, the phenomenon of copper suddenly underperforming equities is not only a sure sign of an economy that is not firing on all cylinders, it is also a signal that deflation in real goods (materials) is beginning to take hold… and as has been the case in the past, it’s happening ‘suddenly’. Considering the level from which we are starting this journey, there is every potential for the coming deflation to be so mind bogglingly crushing in percentage terms, that most of us can't even envision it.  Yes, at some point we will see the phase of enormous inflation that everyone is expecting... but that era is just going to have to wait its turn.

My conclusion based on this chart and my interpretation of its signals will no doubt be criticized by a few. So be it… there is ample evidence elsewhere that strongly support the conclusions. In fact, I think maybe it’s time to rename the US dollar. I think I’ll call it Bruce… as in Bruce Almighty. From this point, I defer to the annotations on the chart since this really is a case where a picture is worth thousand words. Eeeewww… that was so cliché.

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  1. Bearer of Bad News™ says :

    Sorry, this analysis is just so bad, I couldn't even finish skimming. Some brief points:

    "Money" (as in currency) is noting more than tokens to simplify what is essentially a barter-system. By the author's definition, there is no such thing as money. Take gold for example: It's a industrial commodity. Yes, a valuable one, but EVERY unit of wealth fluctuates. And that's a good thing.

    I don't argue with reading copper commodity prices to find market signals, but the argument presented here is so simplistic as to be ignorant. (sorry)

    For example, copper is a consumed on a global basis. Using it to find signals in a regional index such as the SPX is just silly. Events in Brazil & China influence the price of copper far more than anything else these days. And the SPX is influenced by such a different set of factors (like momentum & sentiment)

    I hope Albertarocks can work a little harder next time to create an actually useful analysis. 20 years ago my Econ 101 teacher would have forced me to rewrite such a mess. Sorry...

  2. Admin (Member) Email says :

    Bearer - - -

    Glad to hear from a new commenter. Thanks for taking the time to write.

    I'll skip over the point you made about the author's comments about money - I didn't read any attempt to define fundamental principles of currency. I merely saw his comments as an aside to his central theme.

    I would ask you to discuss why you feel that the sudden moves in copper prices do not reflect on both recession/depression pressures as well as on the prospects for the S&P 500. You dubbed it a "regional index." I will debate that with you. I believe that a substantial amount of S&P 500 earnings (more than 50%?) come from outside the U.S. I would argue that it is one of the most global indexes you can find, if not the premier global index.

    I agree with your comments about momentum and sentiment. I would remind you that they can turn on a dime, however. I will not agree that stock prices are not influenced by commodity prices. When commodity prices are stable or decline in a period with some economic growth, earnings and stock prices (outside of commodity producers) receive a nice tail wind. When commodity prices decline because of falling demand that is not a good situation for stocks, especially those with global earnings, like the S&P 500.

    From your comment I believe you do not argue with much of what I have said, except the role I assign to the S&P 500. I would ask that you reconsider your characterization of that index.

    As far as how qualified Albertarocks is? I have followed his charting adventures for more than two years. He goes where no man has gone before (sorry Startrek) again and again. Most of the time he is early to some big parties. If this is one of his boo-boo's you can come back in 6-9 months and gloat.

    This is an analyst who thinks outside the box. Most of the time an Econ 101 professor will disregard what he does because AR is not following the textbook. That's too bad for the professor. He might be able to afford some self-paid sabbaticals if he would think outside the box.

    John Lounsbury

    PS: Please don't let me scare you away. We need people like you speaking out here, people who have some serious thoughts to share.



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